when i was in congress and those town halls that we had in 2009, people yelling you're for death pannal panels. whoa, whoa, i'm not, i read every single page. reince priebus said today, talking about death panels which people have said that is not true, that say falsity. they don't care. they don't want to govern. they want to scare people to be against something and not for anything. >> you know, joan, so the other dynamic we're seeing, we saw congressman jim clyburn saying, absolutely, democrats are going to run on obamacare in 2014. we planned it this way. >> right. >> he pointed out that starting january 1 you've got more and more people in the system. and so obviously, again, this message of taking something away gets a lot harder to sell, doesn't it? >> right. every time that a new level of benefits kicks in, karen, more people like it. and whatever complaints people may have, you know some people's complaint is that it's not liberal enough.